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Episode 52 – JRebel, LiveRebel and OSGi with Jevgeni Kabanov

April 14th, 2012
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Jevgeni is a good friend of the Basement Coders, I know one of the reasons I look forward to JavaOne is because I know him and his ZeroTurnaround team will be there. They always have the most rocking booth at JavaOne and instead of it being manned by PR folks, it's the geeks of the company who work it (although Oliver White is awesome too!).

Jevgeni fills us in about the new product releases of JRebel and LiveRebel happening over at ZeroTurnaround and we also discuss the hot-button topic that is OSGi. You see, Jevgeni is a bit outspoken against OSGi, where as our own cast member Jeff Genender is an OSGi fan boi. Me? Well I'm just continually asking myself "OSG-why?" If I can't get a canonical dependency like Hibernate to work with it, what is it's point of existence...

Also Jevgeni mentions GeekOut which is the Estonian Java Developer's June 14-15 2012 which boasts a great line up of speakers. Since it's taking place in Estonia, birthplace of ZeroTurnaround, you know it's gonna be a non-stop geek party as well!

Thanks for the great cast Jevgeni!

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About the Author

Craig Tataryn started his career as a Visual Basic programmer, but don't hold that against him! The system he helped create was a cutting edge, n-tiered revenue collection system whose transactions per second metric was off the charts! Around the year 2000 he discovered Struts and never looked back. A professional Java developer for close to a decade, Craig has worked on a wide variety of projects ranging from Recruiting, Purchase order, Revenue collection and Mortgage systems. More recently Craig has written web services for children's educational toys and has honed his skills on Wicket, SOA and iOS application development. "I love to learn and more importantly I love to teach. Hoarding knowledge is one of the most petty and selfish things you can do, especially as a contractor. This is why I always make it a point to document and share my knowledge with my client's employees"

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  1. dianeg
    April 15th, 2012 at 17:50 | #1
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    Why do you badger your guests so much. Does it make you feel smart?

  2. Jeff Genender
    April 15th, 2012 at 19:41 | #2
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    No… its fun. Like going to Disneyland.

  3. DR
    April 16th, 2012 at 12:19 | #3
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    So: how *do* you get hibernate to work in OSGi?

  4. craig
    April 16th, 2012 at 18:13 | #4
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    @DR
    From what I can tell, with great difficulty… The usual glib response is “use Apache Aries instead”

  5. tea
    April 17th, 2012 at 14:01 | #5
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    This is difficult to listen to. Jeff spends most of the episode arguing for no reason at all. The guest clearly knows more about all of the topics discussed and jeff barely lets him talk. Jeff, you could do well to sit back, listen, and learn from your guests.

  6. Jeff Genender
    April 17th, 2012 at 14:23 | #6
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    @craig
    Its not that hard… I have done it multiple times. You just need the right MANIFEST entries. Stop with the FUD, eh? ;-)

  7. Jeff Genender
    April 17th, 2012 at 14:51 | #7
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    @tea
    Ask me if I give a shit? ;-) Sounds like you are talking out of the ‘ol rectum. If I don’t know shit, you don’t have to listen ;-)

  8. tea
    April 17th, 2012 at 16:52 | #8
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    hah. fair enough. it is your podcast. also fwiw. I back you up and confirm that hibernate can work with osgi but it is tricky. osgi support is also being worked on and should be in a future release of hibernate 4.

  9. Jeff Genender
    April 17th, 2012 at 17:01 | #9
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    @tea
    Well… I was simply tossing stones back where they came from. ;-) The podcast was a healthy argument… something Jevgeni and I have had many times in private, so we thought we would bring it to the cast. This wasn’t about one person knowing more than the other as we both come from our own corners in the boxing ring. Both sides had their pros and cons, and both technologies have their place. I think it was a fair discussion^W argument and believe it as one of our better ones. ;-)

  10. craig
    April 17th, 2012 at 17:43 | #10
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    @Jeff Genender
    Ask not what OSGi can do for you, but what you have to do to your application to get it to work with OSGi :P

  11. hazmat
    April 17th, 2012 at 18:53 | #11
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    Do we have to listen to you eat during this? Cmon Now. HAH ;)
    j/k
    Good podcast.. I always look forward to basement coders to get to points.
    This got to specific points and didn’t feel like a pissing match at all.

  12. Jevgeni Kabanov
    April 18th, 2012 at 03:01 | #12
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    @tea

    I think it was pretty fun. I mean for someone else Jeff might have been a bit to pushy, but we go a way back and he knows I can take him on full blast ;) And then some.

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